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So the IS350 has been laying a thwacking to the BMW 335, so whos to say the 4 series is going to fare any better vs the RC350?

Lexus RC350:



2.5L I4 Hybrid 217 HP/379 lb-ft
3.5L V6 306 HP/276 lb-ft
5.0L V8 417 HP/373 lb-ft (RC-F)

BMW 4 Series:



2.0L I4 241 HP/258 lb-ft
3.0L I6 300 HP/300 lb-ft
3.0L I6 430 HP/369 lb-ft+ (M4)


The RC may also get Toyotas recently trademarked Atkinson Cycle 2.0T expected to first show in the NX crossover and could show up in an RC250...
 

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The drivetrain in the IS and RC are impressive but Lexus still has some way to go in terms of chassis and suspension development.

The 335 and the new 4 series will likely offer better driving dynamics. But lets all hope for a good suspension setup on the RC that is aimed towards enthusiasts and not comfort and body roll :)
 

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On paper they seem like they can come close, but we'll have to see how they do in real world testing. I'm a big Lexus fan but at the moment am having more faith in BMW.
 

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Engines seem to match up pretty well. I think that both cars look nice. The Lexus is a bit more extreme than the BMW, which will appeal to some and not to others. Can't tell for sure how they compare until the two are released and some reviews come out. The BMW name will sell cars, but if the Lexus is a better or equal vehicle it will do a good job competing.
 

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Engines seem to match up pretty well. I think that both cars look nice. The Lexus is a bit more extreme than the BMW, which will appeal to some and not to others. Can't tell for sure how they compare until the two are released and some reviews come out. The BMW name will sell cars, but if the Lexus is a better or equal vehicle it will do a good job competing.
That's how it usually is. A lot of people won't question the 4 series but when it comes to the RC, they will want reasons WHY they shouldn't buy the BMW. Hopefully the Lexus delivers.
 

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BMW seems to be falling short in recent years in terms of driving dynamics

They are going more for comfort now

Where as lexus is slowly trying to go more for driving dynamics than comfort
leapfrog time?
 

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BMW seems to be falling short in recent years in terms of driving dynamics

They are going more for comfort now

Where as lexus is slowly trying to go more for driving dynamics than comfort
leapfrog time?
That's what I noticed too, meanwhile Lexus is focusing on fine tweaking and perfecting everything before they up power, which is the right thing to do, sadly it won't be a fast process. going to be a while before some performance models drop.
 

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That's what I noticed too, meanwhile Lexus is focusing on fine tweaking and perfecting everything before they up power, which is the right thing to do, sadly it won't be a fast process. going to be a while before some performance models drop.
performance models are irrelevant for street use. Thats why BMW was so successful because instead of focusing on performance and power they always invested into suspension and dynamics. Their vehicles were fun even a base 128 or 320....

Lexus has always been very buick/lincoln esque feeling to their suspensions...
 

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performance models are irrelevant for street use. Thats why BMW was so successful because instead of focusing on performance and power they always invested into suspension and dynamics. Their vehicles were fun even a base 128 or 320....

Lexus has always been very buick/lincoln esque feeling to their suspensions...
so what about vehicles like their M5 and M6 that have 400+ HP.
there are a ton of cars sold from car makers with 400-500HP, isn't that a performance car? can you explain that? lol
 

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performance models are irrelevant for street use. Thats why BMW was so successful because instead of focusing on performance and power they always invested into suspension and dynamics. Their vehicles were fun even a base 128 or 320....

Lexus has always been very buick/lincoln esque feeling to their suspensions...
I wouldn't say that

The performance models do help overall sales for the company

It gives people something to look up to. Like a halo model

Kind of the representative for the brand
 

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so what about vehicles like their M5 and M6 that have 400+ HP.
there are a ton of cars sold from car makers with 400-500HP, isn't that a performance car? can you explain that? lol
you explain to me where you can use 400-500 horsepower on the street? I siad performance models were useless not that BMW didn't build them. They don't help sales, they account for maybe 5% of all volume, if that...
 

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they do help

people look at them as halo cars

it gives them the respect they need to be a reputable brand

using the power is completely up to you

you can use all 500hp to go from 0-60 if you wanted lol

just depends how you drive

having lots of power isn't a bad thing
gets you to speed with less effort. depending on how you drive it might even save you gas if you had a more powerful engine lol

and there are weekend track warriors as well
 
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